The WU API has been around since 2010 to help you develop apps and websites as well as manage your Personal Weather Station data. During that time, we’ve watched you build amazing products and visualize weather data with creativity and purpose.
Over the years, our infrastructure has struggled to keep up with the growing numbers of users coming to us for API data. We realized we needed to make changes to ensure the highest level of quality, performance and uptime for our API users.
As a result, we’ve made the difficult decision to retire the Weather Underground API. The Weather Company, which acquired WU back in 2012, offers a powerful suite of enterprise-grade APIs that might be better suited to meet your scale and performance needs while offering a broader range of weather data. You can see these products here.
Here’s what you need to know going forward:
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Your subscriptions, and therefore access, will continue to work through 12/31/2018.
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If you are a paying WU API customer, you will receive a call from a representative from The Weather Company, and IBM business, to discuss transition options to other API services. If you’d like to have these conversations sooner, contact us.
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If you are a Personal Weather Station owner, you will receive more information about our plan to offer free access to the data you provide to Weather Underground. We’ll reach out once that plan has been finalized.
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The WU Forum will continue to be the best place to connect, keep you informed, share your feedback and get your questions answered as we go through this process.
We are grateful for your commitment to Weather Underground and appreciate your understanding and support as we work through this process. These changes will allow us to continually improve our services and develop new features to keep WU a thriving place for you for many years to come.
Thanks for being part of the community.
Sincerely,
The WU Team
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I'm collecting my data through node-red (running on a raspi), into graphite/carbon-cache and then charting it in Grafana (running on another raspi). I can send/publish to pretty much any API and I can subscribe via MQTT.
Anyone else have a weather api service?
Should we build a new one called the WeatherOrNot? Does anyone think we can build it for $20/year per account? Non-profit? Federated?
Maybe we could build a big broker; an exchange. The data is published from all stations and as it arrives it's routed to subscribers. No data is actually stored in this service; it's just made available as a live feed. Everyone becomes responsible for storing what they want.
Anyone have a guess at how many users there are on the existing service (which appears to be disappearing)?
Thoughts?
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On the subscription side, 30,000 subscribers pulling 6 data points per minute for 100 stations would be 18,000,000 subscription calls. That would get a devops attention.
My math might be off but my assumptions are probably way off.
Thanks, Brian.
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What are the odds that we will keep the current service as weather data providers, or what are the chances to get or build an alternative that could use our data to enhance their / our forecast with our data ?
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I was doing a little digging about how I could rewrite some of the screen templates to use a little bit more modern templates, and it seems like now you want to continue to get my data for free and then sell it back to me if I want to use it on my personal site.
Am I understanding that correctly? Or did I'm completely misunderstand what you're saying?
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Personal Weather Station users will likely be able to get their own data back. We're still working out the details, which is why you haven't been getting a lot of information.
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I'm not sure of the value proposition of such a thing, but I'm open to your explaining it to me. I'm available for a phone call or an email or you can post it publicly..
Looking forward to hearing from you.
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Thank you!
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https://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?ID=ffc&lat=34.143436&lon=-84.569412&labe...
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Can you share the plans for historical data ?
Best
Tommy
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I don't mean to deflect, but your question is ambiguous. Do you mean
A) What are the cost plans for various levels of historical data calls in The Weather Company api? or
B) What does The Weather Company plan to do about providing access to data from the past?
If A, then the answer is going to have to come from the people who have access to all the plans and pricing for all the various regions. If you haven't filled out the form here (http://biz.weather.com/WU-Data-API_Data-Package-Demo-Request.html), then do so, and someone will get back to you. If you have filled it out, drop me an email with the contact info you provided so I can see where you are in the queue. If you have a key, tell me that in an email, too.
If B, then
B.i -- PWS owner: Personal Weather Station (PWS) owners will have access to their own data.
B.ii -- everyone else: Historical data is a possible option from The Weather Company, at a variety of price points. See A.
Does that help?
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For developers who use WU API data for non-commercial purposes, you will have access to a new plan for a personal use, low call volume API. Stay tuned for more details as we build this out.When will we hear about this new plan?
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When can this information be expected? I believe I'm currently using a low call volume but I'd like to understand sooner than December 31st what changes I can expect.
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First of all ask for forgiveness for my English, it is not my language.
I want to reach a good port to receive an API, because until a few months ago it was very useful for me to know the internal temperature, for greater control, which WU does not have this personal data on the web.
I am waiting for the new plan for private use.
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First, might I ask what your preferred language is?
I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. If you want to be contacted about paying for data from The Weather Company, you should fill out the form here: http://biz.weather.com/WU-Data-API_Data-Package-Demo-Request.html
We are no longer providing free API access keys.
Sincerely,
Victoria Gardner
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"literally any day now"... still waiting three weeks later!
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I'm not completely clear what "this" in your note refers to, but I would like to hear about how "this" affects your specific needs. Could you either respond here or send me an email to victoria.gardner@ibm.com?
Thank you!
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What they're trying to figure out at the moment is how to charge PWS owners for enhanced data without losing access to the raw data those same people give them today.
Maybe they're using Watson to help them figure out how to pull that off.
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Mike, I feel like you're talking about apples and oranges. People who have switched to The Weather Company API have switched. They're using that data. Now. They're waving good-bye to us in their rear-view mirror.
I have said that we will offer ongoing, uninterrupted access to individual PWS users. I am listening to people who have shared on the forum about what purposes they use various forecasts for.
If you're not a PWS owner, then let's get you on the phone with a sales rep and get you negotiating a deal so that you, too, can wave good-bye.
Victoria Gardner
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From the announcement at the top: "If you are a Personal Weather Station owner, you will receive more information about our plan to offer free access to the data you provide to Weather Underground". What does this mean? The weather station owner already has their data, before providing it to WU. Why do they need free access to the data they provide to WU, when they already have free access to the data... because it is their own data?
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I'm not blaming them, everybody is under pressure to produce positive revenue these days.
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As I said, the trick is to keep their most valuable assets (the PWS owners) happy without undermining the commercial value of these enriched APIs.
Obviously IBM sees the value of having 70,000 data points in the US generated for free. If IBM/TWC had more of a startup mentality, they'd be clearer about creating a value proposition for the PWS owners and they would never have put out a communication like this.
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Keep in mind that business deals require a seller and a buyer. The Weather Company couldn't have bought WU without WU selling. I wasn't there, I don't know any more about it than anyone else who was a WU user at the time. I don't want to point fingers -- it seems pointless to keep rehashing it, when it happened years and years ago now.
The problem with "leaving it alone" is that you can't really do that with anything on the web and have it continue to work. Storage, changes in HTML, security, all require updating and coding. In these conversations on the forum I see people complaining that "things don't work right", and "just leave it alone". We can't do both, and resources needed to make an old piece of digital architecture work are resources that are needed elsewhere.
There are lots of different sorts of PWS owners. I know that sounds kind of trite, but I end up talking to all kinds of people who are doing all sorts of things with one or multiple PWSs. I'm not deliberately trying to be vague. I am simply not sure I know all the variants at play, and I don't want someone to hear "no" when that might not actually be the correct answer.
WU continues to be a web site/mobile app for people who like weather. It has more data, more complexity than other "popular" weather sites/apps. I don't know about you, but I pretty much live on the 10-day forecast page. That's going to continue. What's being phased out is many uses of the API, which compete with the parent company's API. The Weather Company's API will continue to improve on the quality of the data worldwide in ways that the resources of WU couldn't. And for those sitting in the US, keep in mind this really is a worldwide network.
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0. I am just a wx geek from this part of the world, loving what WU did from the beginning (Ask Jeff Masters, Bob Henson and John Celenza if still around, guess not)
1. PWS network / site is the only source of realtime data where you can verify where is generated
2. We have more coverage as private weather stations owners than the official met services
3. In my perception in this part of the world, WU forecast API seems to improve after we setup a PWS in the location. so is a win/win we deploy a new station, give you the data, receive a better forecast. so is not a matter of sending but also receiving
4. in the region there are mostly operations or uses of this data that can afford commercial weather services as it can be the case for USA / Europe or Worldwide operations, most of what I have done with my data is public service
5. As of WU services for our case (radar: no radar info for my region, Satellite: NOAA/other sources ok, current conditions for a place: WU, forecast for that place: WU (5d ok),
I Hope this insights could be of some use or give you some hints to tell us if we are still in a position of hoping for the best finale out of this.
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Thank you for all this. I think the team I work with is aware of and concerned about PWS users who are providing this sort of public service. I can't say more than that right now.
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4. in the region most of operations or uses of this data CANNOT afford commercial weather services as it can be the case for USA / Europe or Worldwide operations, most of what I have done with my data is public service
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I agree that if I'm providing you data, you want, for free, I should get something in return. Especially since the PWS station owner is providing their data at an expense to themselves in obtaining, maintaining, and running their stations. Even providing data to CWOP you get something back. It may not be much but you can QC your site for accuracy. But keep in mind, if you are providing data to CWOP, WU still get's your station data. So if you stop sending to WU, but keep your CWOP feed active, WU still gets it. The only thing WU loses is the rapid fire update. So I don't think WU/IBM really cares if you stop feeding them your data.
At this point it's time to sit back and wait. IBM isn't going to tell you anything until they are ready. Pushing and prodding them won't make a difference. Victoria is probably telling you all she can for what she has access to. There are a lot levels of management involved, and IBM doesn't communicate well from the top to the bottom.
Hopefully I'm wrong, and WU/IBM does something good here. I liked what I had when it worked. Now it's just time to wait and see as time is running out on this issue.
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Act as if you're dealing with a large multinational corporation.
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Any cost increase will be a matter for the service operator / hotel, but we need the new API as soon as possible. Alternatively, if you realistically are no longer interested in this kind of low volume business, we need to know...
Please advise
Thanks
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I am in a similar situation as this. I have started evaluating new weather APIs since wunderground has taken so long to provide details about a new plan.
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I would like to know more about your experience and what are the alternatives with this? maybe we can help each other..
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I am using Davis VantagePro2+ with Vantage Connect datalogger. Our data (15-minute interval) is stored locally to several computers and at the university server. I am looking at OpenWeatherMap as an alternative to WU. You may visit our site sarai.ph for more information.
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I personally assessed the quality of WU forecast after I put a pws and send data, the forecast seems to enhance after some time, maybe is just a perception.. ¿?
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I am a university student who required historical Chinese city weather data for our research assignment. I tried to reach the sale; however, I did not get responses yet. Could you advise the pricing?
Thank you very much for the help!
Regards,
Bo
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There are too many variables for me to be able to suggest a price. If you email me the name or email you used on the data form, I can ask that you be moved up in the queue.
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Having to get in contact with a sales representative to access an API is so last century.
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It is also interesting their ready to talk about pricing, but say they don't have the api ready to share. Isn't that a bit backwards. Set a price, and then develop the api????
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It feels like they're struggling to find a model where they still get all that PWS data for free, and then not over-commit to those same PWS owners for enriched data. Which I don't get. You can put servers up in AWS, push all the forecast data for PWSs users to grab (because it costs them almost nothing to provide at that point).
With the pricing from other sites that have been mentioned already (it's basically almost free) I'm not sure it will work for anybody, particularly since there would be no long-term commitment to PWS owners on price or API structure.
I don't have any hard feelings over that, but if I was a developer, I'd abstract away from anybody's API and that would let me snap a new provider in very quickly if I found something better/cheaper. . I wouldn't over commit to anyone with so many choices in the market for weather data
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I'm a developer, I have to deal with sysadmins pushing for security patches, migrations to different databases, hardware failures, etc. while trying to keep data producers and consumers happy, so I get it. Latest push is to move more and more of our processing into the cloud but we had serious problems with data latency so we had to scrap an earlier migration. The cost for bandwidth going into and out of the cloud, cpu power, memory footprint ain't cheap. It's worse if you have dynamic data that can't be cached.
I push my weather data to multiple websites and as long as I am able to compare my data to neighbors I'm happy so I'm willing to give WU time to get it right.
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Actually it's not bad. There are weather data providers willing to do 10,000 RESTful calls for $1 (referenced earlier in this thread, with the first 1,000 free).
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Sadly, I do not have any good news for you. This API will not be reopening for developers, and pollen information is not going to be available in the WU ecosystem. Perhaps someone else on the forum might know of it elsewhere?
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https://forecast-v3.weather.gov/documentation
Dark Sky also has some nice features, as others have mentioned.
https://darksky.net/dev
Wunderground, you should be embarrassed by the timeframe you've chosen for this and how it's all being handled.
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For all other users who have not made prior arrangements through The Weather Company/IBM, keys will be turned off after December 31, 2018. That includes developer keys. Individuals who are not PWS owners and use only a small amount of data will likely need to find a new platform to use.
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Does this mean that the key included in this WordPress plugin will be disabled too? I just checked, there is a hardcoded "universal" key... And it's used by more than 20 000 websites.
Thanks for your answer.
Pierre
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The Weather Company API exists right now. People have been and are switching. Calls and emails have been made/are going out to subscribers. If you haven't gotten either one, go to this link and get yourself on the list.
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All that it says up above is there some kind of access to the data we contribute, and some other kind of access to a low-call API. Are these two new endpoints, or one service? Will the data structure be the same as before? Are these new APIs coming from TWC data or traditional Wunderground algorithms? Where will we find documentation on this/these new API(s)? How low is "low-call volume"? These are the kind of things that I (and I assume others) need to know if we don't want a disruption of service.
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For the moment, until the build-out is complete, PWS owners will be able to use the current API. The new API will be from TWC data. The legacy WU API has creaky knees and aching, arthritic hands, and desperately wants to go home and sit in front of the TV.
I really do hear you about wanting all that information RIGHT NOW. Perhaps what might help at this point is hearing how long PWS owners want to transition from one API to another, once the documentation for the new API is available?
But no, we're not talking about two separate, new APIs. The Weather Company's API is out there now. Access for legacy WU PWS holders isn't quite ready, which is why I wanted to be clear about the difference between PWS owners and everyone else in terms of the end of the year. We'll make the creaky-kneed, achey WU API work while the PWS holders transition.
Low call volume, I'm guessing, is about 500 calls/day, 10 calls/min. But I will check on that.
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Almost the same questions for me (thanks xd1936)... What about all "small" developers who rely their work on your APIs? Price and plans is one thing. But end-points is maybe most important for us... Is my application will continue to work (only for paid API key consumers) or are there new end-points, new call methods.... And so, am I going to have to rewrite my application?
(oh, and of course, if you have answer about the WordPress plugin mentioned above,... :) )
(*) by "small" developers I want to speak about OSS devs who does not earn a penny with their work... (in opposite to paying app or services).
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Does that mean that the Wunderground website and mobile apps are switching to IBM Cloud TWC data as well?
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In terms of developers, large and small, it's pay as you go, or shift to another platform. I know a lot of people are going to be unhappy with that answer, but there it is. There will no longer be a WU "developer key".
If you're building out apps for the future, you will probably want to consider the price point of your users. If they're likely to have the volume and desire the high quality data of The Weather Company, then build around that. If they are likely to want free access only, you're going to need to look for another platform.
I think the short answer is, yes, you're going to have to rewrite your app. The Weather Underground API ecosystem as it has been known will be ending for all but PWS owners who upload their data to WU and subscription customers who have contracts to transition to TWC data. And even they will eventually be shifting.
Will your application continue to work? If the application is used by a PWS owner who already has a key, it will work for a while, until the transition to the new API is complete, at which point it will also stop working. The calls to the new API may be similar, but they will not be identical. And poor old legacy WU API will be able to head home to watch TV.
Victoria
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It's finally an answer that seems clear to me. Even if it saddens me ...
I wish you good luck for the future.
Pierre
(and of course, I look forward to your reply regarding the WordPress plugin)
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And yes, wunderground should really be embarrassed.
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I, too, am looking at DarkSky as a WU forecast replacement and I'm really disappointed that Wunderground hasn't released a replacement API for the masses (only for the $$$ few). Grrrr.
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https://saratoga-weather.org/scripts-DSforecast.php
Other than alerts being only in English and only full-day forecasts (no night-specific forecast), it seems to support all the other needs that the WU-forecast.php script had (free-limited-use API key, international locations by lat/long, multilingual forecasts). I'm ready to kill the WU-forecast.php script when WU deprecates the API.
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I m a new anrdoid weather developer and I m using this successful service with free limited account but I there is uncertainty sitution nowadays. I think there won't be enough time to change service settings in my application so I want to be inform if it will be free type or not and what will be limits also limits and features of paid version
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Free developer keys will cease to function on the Weather Underground's API on December 31, 2018. If you want free data only, you will need to find another source.
If you want to explore the options for paying for data, you should fill out the form at http://biz.weather.com/WU-Data-API_Data-Package-Demo-Request.html
The only people who will have continuing access to the Weather Underground's API after December 31 are PWS owners who upload their data, and those who have made prior contractual arrangements with IBM/The Weather Company.
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I can spare you a form: just email me your key and PWS station ID, that way I can respond to you personally and you know you've been heard, and I know for sure I have a good email address. We will be doing what we can to link PWS's and keys, and that you're able to access both with one login is a good sign, but nothing is infallible. I have already had a few users email me directly wanting to be sure nothing goes wrong, so I have a checklist already started that I will attend to myself.
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We provide a simple weather forecast app as part of a hospitality interactive TV solution for cruise ships and hotels, where the operator subscribes to your (minimal) paid service. The usage is incredibly basic - three days forecast of weather type and temperature across 5 locations. The forecast results are locally cached so hits to your site are minimal.
Any cost increase will be a matter for the service operator / hotel, but we need the new API as soon as possible. Alternatively, if you realistically are no longer interested in this kind of low volume business, we need to know...
When will the new forecast API be available and who do I point my customers to to discuss pricing? This is now (because of your short notice) very urgent!
Please advise
Thanks
Paul Clark
Packet Ship
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The new API is available, under The Weather Company. The API pricing is available, but you need to talk to a sales representative. If you have not yet filled out the form at http://biz.weather.com/WU-Data-API_Data-Package-Demo-Request.html, you should do so. Pricing includes discounts for current WU API keyholders.
A Weather Underground branded API will not be in use after December 31, 2018 except for PWS owners who upload their data to WU and those who have made prior contractual arrangements with IBM.
I'm sorry you feel this is sudden, but the notice has been up for months now.
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Thanks, I will follow that up. In terms of timing, the first I heard of this was an email on 1st November, which directed me here; I posted the same day but got no response.
Paul
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The third bullet point in the original post states the following: "For developers who use WU API data for non-commercial purposes, you will have access to a new plan for a personal use, low call volume API."
Two weeks ago, this position has changed to the following: "Individuals who are not PWS owners and use only a small amount of data will likely need to find a new platform to use. "
I'm grateful for the free service WU has provided for the last few years, and I do understand why it has to end, but this deprecation could've been handled better. Like many instances in life, I'd rather have had the complete extent of bad news in one shot, three months ago.
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I was tempted to go back and delete my previous responses, but it felt like I would be gaslighting you (all), so I didn't. But I now think my pronouncement was in error.
I am trying to get additional clarifications.
We wish all of this had gone more smoothly. I wish I could keep track of all the many stakeholders better.
If I could present myself for you to kick me in the shins, I would. Please, in lieu of that, accept my sincere apologies.
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https://www.wunderground.com/weather/api/d/docs?d=layers/radar
I'm having trouble finding it.
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Thanks,
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https://www.wunderground.com/login
I'll have to check my logs to see if they're still accepting my data. And I'm curious if this is a general issue with everyone.
Victoria Gardner, Official Rep
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This is totally a general issue with everyone. It was happening to me, too, this morning on my home computer. So no conspiracy theories, please, it's just a web-wide glitch. I have not had a chance to get over to the web side of things yet to see if there's an ETA for fixing it.
Victoria Gardner
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Victoria Gardner
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when will I receive a message email to know what changes must i will do to my code?
in around 1 month the api stops and what next?
i will receive a message at 31 december to resolve the changes in some hours?
Victoria Gardner, Official Rep
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Let me try to clarify this a bit.
1. PWS owners who upload their data will continue to be able to access the WU API past December 31. If you want to ensure that you are first in line with information, you can email me your API key, PWS ID, and I will add you to my list of people to inform/keep track of as we move forward.
2. When the new API is ready, we will give you transition time. No one has contacted you about the new code because the new code is not ready yet.
Does that help?
Victoria Gardner
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Pretty easy - simply stop supporting the joke that they play here by stopping to send them your data. Let's see who needs whom...
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Tom Krotchko
Just a little digging and if you go to Open Weathermap
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