The WU API has been around since 2010 to help you develop apps and websites as well as manage your Personal Weather Station data. During that time, we’ve watched you build amazing products and visualize weather data with creativity and purpose.
Over the years, our infrastructure has struggled to keep up with the growing numbers of users coming to us for API data. We realized we needed to make changes to ensure the highest level of quality, performance and uptime for our API users.
As a result, we’ve made the difficult decision to retire the Weather Underground API. The Weather Company, which acquired WU back in 2012, offers a powerful suite of enterprise-grade APIs that might be better suited to meet your scale and performance needs while offering a broader range of weather data. You can see these products here.
Here’s what you need to know going forward:
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Your subscriptions, and therefore access, will continue to work through 12/31/2018.
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If you are a paying WU API customer, you will receive a call from a representative from The Weather Company, and IBM business, to discuss transition options to other API services. If you’d like to have these conversations sooner, contact us.
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If you are a Personal Weather Station owner, you will receive more information about our plan to offer free access to the data you provide to Weather Underground. We’ll reach out once that plan has been finalized.
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The WU Forum will continue to be the best place to connect, keep you informed, share your feedback and get your questions answered as we go through this process.
We are grateful for your commitment to Weather Underground and appreciate your understanding and support as we work through this process. These changes will allow us to continually improve our services and develop new features to keep WU a thriving place for you for many years to come.
Thanks for being part of the community.
Sincerely,
The WU Team
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That's an extremely broad question that calls on me to make a wide variety of assumptions.
A) For the short term, I don't think it affects you at all. Assuming your PWS id and API key are both linked to the same email address, then we should put the two together and will keep your key. If you'd prefer not to leave that to chance, you can email me your PWS id and API key, and I will make sure that it does not get turned off.
B) Some time after the first of the year, there will be a portal where you can sign up for a key for the new API. We anticipate giving PWS owners/uploaders a month to transition to the new API once it is ready. We will post more information about that on the Forum. Because many, perhaps most PWS uploaders do not use the API, there is unlikely to be a direct email blast to PWS owners (as some have requested from me), as it would only be confusing. If, however, you would like to have me email you, so that you don't have to keep checking back to the Forum, that is a service I am willing to provide. I plan to do that as a standard feature for everyone who signs up on my list by providing their PWS ID and API key.
C) Once the new API is ready and you have your new key, you will need to rewrite the calls that your sprinkler controller makes for information. You will not, as I currently understand it, need to redo anything with uploading your data to Weather Underground.
One point to make here: is it necessary to have an API call to get this information? I think the answer is no. If you store your own PWS information on your own computer, you can, I think, get what you need from there without any API at all. But every installation of equipment is going to be unique, and I cannot pretend to know how all of those various machines work, much less work together. But as a programmer myself, I can understand how it is possible to avoid the API call altogether. This is not to discourage anyone from using our API (or any other), but simply to note that there are other possibilities as well.
I don't know if this answers all the questions you (or others) have, so if not, please let me know. Anyone who wants to sign up their PWS/API key can email me below.
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For everyone else: I know I have said this a million times, all I can do is suggest that there will be an opportunity to shift. The December 31 deadline is becoming weaker all the time, that is, less likely to be enforced.
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As I understand we are alone with the problem.....
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Now that everyone is upset this mouth-piece they hired is getting tired of people
just not rolling over and taking it.
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PWS owners/uploaders are going to continue to have API access. If you have heard anything else, it is incorrect. Please see my response to John Cook a few notes above this one.
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It appears now to be inevitable that PWS owners will also be screwed eventually, likely with little to no notice.
I have always known IBM to be nebulous, but this is rediculous. I actually bought a System 36 back in the day, with promises of a deal for MAPICS. Hah! Didn't happen the way they promised.
I am about to go on a rampage to get as many PWS owners as possible to MOVE!
Another startup like WU could be done. It would be far easier if WU goes away. I'm ready to invest in that startup.
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I don't think anyone here envisions there being a time limit on how long PWS owner/uploaders will have access. They are going to be switching over to a new API, and that new API we hope will have its own healthy lifespan.
A lot of PWS owners have no need for an API for their connections. So not all PWS owners are even affected by the change.
Wishing you well,
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As a personnal user (100 calls / day max) , what is the way to have access to the "new" api explained in this post ?
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The current API will be ending soon, yes.
I'm not sure if you have a personal weather station or not. PWS owners who upload their data to Weather Underground will continue to have access to the current API until we transition over to the new one.
If you just use the API, then the answer is less clear. I am waiting for more information so that I may provide a clear response. But if those 100 calls/day are critical for you, you may want to start investigating other platforms.
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Good bye and best regards
Marc
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I ask this because I do not control the read rate for the Enphase and PVOutput uses. It uses the API key to track the temperature out at the solar array. The other devices I have coded to grab data at various intervals typically well within the free use restrictions set up previously.
I have not read the other two pages of response so you may have covered this already. If not please respond. Thanks.
BTW - My Upload station ID is KTXAUSTI234. If you can figure out why my station is not reporting on the MapBox map that would be cool. The Wondermap is fine. Odd???
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I'm going to start with your PWS station. What do you mean by "not reporting on the map"? Do you mean the map that shows wind/temp readings, to the left of the temperature on the PWS dashboard?
Yes, at this point the plan is to have one API key available per person. I looked through the data usage for all your keys, and you are well under the data limits we're considering for the new API. Is there use beyond your current keys that I should look at or consider? If so, please email me directly.
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When I go here: https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KTXAUSTI234
I don't see the little icon for the wind and temp. If another station is selected mine disappears and is not visible. If I select Wondermap then it shows up. Odd and I noted it started to do this about a month ago.
As for the API's... it will be slightly painful for me to consolidate to a single API key but it can be done. I used separate API keys to keep track of the individual devices that pulled data. If I now consolidate it will be more difficult to find out if any single device is acting up.
As an electrical engineer/hobbyist I created a number of small weather station devices. I have about four of those spread from office to home and garage. I also have an irrigation controller (OpenSprinkler) that uses API data to change irrigation ON times. For good or bad I took out new API keys for each one. Luckily I enabled a web interface to configure all of the devices so I just need to reboot the devices in config mode and via my phone I can setup the API key as well as what SSID to connect to. Lastly I have a large solar array in my backyard that I report local weather via yet another API key to both PVOutput as well as my Solar Inverter supplier Enphase Energy. Both of those web interfaces provide a graphical means of observing my production live via the net. So you can see I have quite a need to maintain the API keys if possible. If a single key is the ONLY supported solution then I can modify the devices as time permits.
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I can see why you would want to maintain multiple API keys. I have passed this on to those who are making the final decisions on the new API. Thank you for taking the time to explain it!
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People with the high-end station who want to use an API are a niche within a niche, and any large company has to prioritize their spend.
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Terry, I wish you well.
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I'll do my best to spread the news, but it's always better coming from an official at the organization rather than second hand.
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The current API will close down in early 2019, but for PWS owner/uploaders a new, free WU API will open. So PWS owner/uploaders will continue to have access to data.
However, there will be some recoding involved. The new API will not be backward compatible to the old API. Documentation for the new API is available online, but keep in mind that old keys will not work on the new API, and we do not have the portal for the new keys ready yet. But this should help begin the transition process:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eKCnKXI9xnoMGRRzOL1xPCBihNV2rOet08qpE_gArAY/edit
For anyone who is continuing to look for paid data options, please see The Weather Company's offerings here: http://biz.weather.com/WU-Data-API_Data-Package-Demo-Request.html
Be sure to fill out the form to the right on that page to have someone contact you.
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when we can expect to get keys for the new API? Because yes I can do some "blind" development for the new API, but real testing is much better :-)
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Will there still be a way to get weather radar, static and gif?
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Particularly for PWS owners/uploaders, many do not use the API at all, don't even have keys, and telling them that something about WU is going down only sows confusion. So while we've made efforts to contact API keyholders, there has been nothing directed specifically to PWS owners. You may see some of that confusion in your postings.
Sincerely,
Victoria Gardner
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I don't yet have an estimated time of arrival for the method for obtaining keys (which we internally have been calling a portal, I don't know if that will stick or not). I will post again when it's ready!
I don't think the image-related access is available on the PWS API. It is on The Weather Company's paid API. If that's not correct, I'll come back and edit this.
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It's possible to combine the calls using the agcommon API:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hsh20WrRb_LGHoRQGvyqJ6_izdclL_03ZYYwE5DsXys/edit
But it's still going to count as 3 calls.
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It will take 3 API calls to get the same data from the current API 1 call.
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PWS owners per se were not notified, since many do not use the API at all. Do you have an API key? If so, you might want to drop me an email with your API key and PWS id, and I will make sure they stay married together through the process.
We did try to notify all the API key holders, but there somehow seems to have been a lot of holes. Anyone who is concerned about not falling into that hole again should feel free to drop me an email, and I will send out updates directly. But we will also post announcements on this Forum.
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We tried to contact everyone, but clearly did not succeed. It may have ended up in your spam filter.
Feel free to contact me directly for more personalized information.
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I'm sorry, again, that it didn't reach you.
Victoria
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Now compare this with how Logitech handled closing off access to a local device API without warning, through a silent firmware update that mentioned nothing about it in the release notes! Then they double down by saying it affected a 'few users'. People are calling for a pitchfork raid. And only terse replies that they don't plan on reversing the decision. Period. No interaction.
In comparison, WU seems to have a much firmer grasp on their own API situation. Victoria deserves a little more respect as the point person who has to deal with this; a decision she may or may not have had any material input on. I think she's doing a yeoman's task and doing an admirable job given the circumstances.
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I'm sorry that this change is difficult, but the change is necessary. We appreciate that customers going through this transition with us are also struggling. Thank you for your continued efforts!
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For the data I supply to WU, what I needed in return was access to my data and hourly temperature forecasts for the next 8 hours. Turns out this forecast information is not in the free package so I would have to pay (high?) monthly fees to be able to get it. So in the end the only thing I could get for free, that I need, is my own data.
Since my weather station is a hard-coded appliance, I was kind of stuck. But, as I am also a programmer :) I managed to redirect my own outgoing data to a server on my local network and read & store it to disk (not very hard). I found another site (like WU used to be in the beginning) so I wrote a simple script to convert and forward them my data instead. In return I get free access to loads of information, limited in numbers but still plenty high for personal use. Sorry WU, I wish you all the best but I too will be turning off my feed to you pretty soon. I wanted to stay with you but you gave me no reasonable choice.
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That's value ;)
Jokes aside, there's lots of services out there, some of them geared to higher volumes; if you dig through this thread, you'll find several of them; I saw one that had 10,000 free calls a day, they provide soap or restful services, and they didn't require you to send them any data.
As I said previously (and not to sound like a broken record), any developer who doesn't abstract away the physical interfaces in his code is going to be subject to all sorts of problems and frustrations as weather data becomes more of a commodity and free tiers go away.
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I wanted to use the WeeWX because I like the built-in templates, but I didn't want to set up a Linux PC to run it. Someone offered to give me an older Mac laptop (circa 2010), which isn't fast, but it doesn't need to be.
I just need to see if it supports the old Vantage Pro 1; I've done a lot of work on that station over the past 10 years to keep it operational, including reflowing a lot of solder on the main board because the years of heat/cool cycles had begun to crack some of the solder joints.
It should support it since it's the same protocol. I just need to see if there's a Serial to USB adapter for the Mac that will work with it.
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I'll probably also look into one with an Ethernet port, since I've wired everything with Cat 5 when it was built 25 years ago.
Thanks for the tip.
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Thanks for confirming, Scott. Sounds encouraging.
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https://github.com/weewx/weewx/wiki
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eKCnKXI9xnoMGRRzOL1xPCBihNV2rOet08qpE_gArAY/edit
I think these may be still in an early state though. I only gave them a casual look so far, but grateful to have something!
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I might just deny them access to my data from 2 weather stations if the API is funky
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The new API doesn't allow for combining calls. So to get all three, you need to make three calls and then combine the data as you need for whatever your application is.
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On Dec. 31, 2018 I will stop all data. Worse business call I have seen in a long time.
I switched to weeWX and will supply my own data.
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For developers who use WU API data for non-commercial purposes, you will
have access to a new plan for a personal use, low call volume API. Stay tuned for more details as we build this out.
When will this new non-commercial API be available?
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Come on guys and gals, we are 72 hours from shutdown and things are still going to happen 'any minute now real soon, honest' .. this has been hanging around for MONTHS now, how come it still ain't sorted. Did anyone notice that the next 72 hours are mostly vacations anyway??!
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Good news: I'm not on vacation. I have days when I feel like Hal from The Space Odyssey.
I assume the email is the same as the 3-month-old announcement on the Forum? The one at the top of this thread? Yes?
There are no updates expected this week, so far as I know.
- PWS owner/uploaders can still email me with station IDs and API keys and I will add them to my email list and make sure they continue to operate.
- Paid subscribers (or anyone who wants to be a paid subscriber) who are having trouble getting in touch with a sales rep can still contact me directly for help with that.
- Non-commercial, low-use key holders, I don't have any updates.
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I am comfortable in French, Russian, Uzbek and Persian, and can work with Italian, German, Spanish and Arabic as well. No need to limit yourself to one language.
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Congrats!
Your languages skills seem to be really impressive!
But I warn you to use translators from/to whatever language.
From and to Hungarian/English i.e. is still a mess. :(
No wonder: this languages are that different so I can't imagine a useful solution in the near future. (Except: AI makes a break-through)
On
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You would be surely surprised which amount of English vocabulary will be used in Hungarian day by day.
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Nagyon szépen köszönöm, Lázi!
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No, this will have pretty much nothing at all to do with setting up your PWS. Have you found the instructions on the WU web site?
If you have trouble, please reach out!
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1. The data will take 3 API calls instead of the current 1.
2. The data we pull is only free for our data. I won't be able to pull data from my elderly parents location to be alerted of bad weather, I'll have to pay for that.
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The only people making a buck here is IBM.
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Many many users never call 3 things. Many PWS owners don't even use the API. For any PWS owners out there who are still concerned, drop me an email, and let me look at your data use, and provide some personalized responses. I don't spend a lot of time with one-size-fits all answers here because users are so brilliantly diverse.
I put my personal email address on this Forum because I'm trying to be as accessible as I can be. I appreciate the many people who make use of it.
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Let's go through the current API.....
1) I get a API key to share the weather data from a product I spent hundreds for and have to maintain
2) In return WU was so happy they gave us API users free access to any data we needed in 1 API call....... that was awesome and a fair exchange
3) Greedy IBM/TWC buys WU and dismantles item 2 above.
Not only do we still have item 1 above but now IBM/TWC has done the following to screw us...
1) Yes we still get free data but it is limited to the data we provide
2) To get that data we have to make 3 API calls to get the same data from the WU API key
3) Those 3 API calls are counted as 3 separate calls against our allotted NEW mysterious allowance
4) Every app that used WU for weather is now screwed and there are over 2 dozen app's and sites that will A) deal with it or B) forget using IBM/TWC API.
So who is getting the shaft here ? US, WE are.
And another point to make I shared data from 2 stations and I recently bought a Ambient Weather Station for another location. So because of this lame greedy change in the way the API works for the future guess who WON'T get my free data from 3 stations that I paid hundreds for ?
This is utterly wrong.... it punishes US that provide FREE data tgo YOU. And we DON'T make WU get our data from 3 API calls from US.
That's the fact jack.... now pass that on to your bosses and see if this hammers it in.
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I will comment this again because it's worth stating.
The fact is they don't care about the smaller users who have apps and make API calls. I think they actually wish the small users would go away. All that support ? why would they want that ? No way they admit that however. But I believe it.
There are hundreds of thousands of people who have weather stations that don't do any programming and just freely and blindly upload their data for no other reason than to just join the community. IBM knows this very well, those people are their bread and butter, no matter how bad they screw everyone those people will still be sending their data.
Those people won't even know a change happened. They don't have apps and they don't follow the bulletin boards or even know anything about this. This undoubtable makes IBM very, very happy. They have a blind following that will not change or stop uploading their data. So, loosing a few hundreds or less will make no difference to them at all.
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That is the reason why they're so reluctant to release a spec. Nobody who is serious about big data hides their interface spec.
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The current API is being deprecated because it no longer works well. This requires changes. All change is hard. I'm sorry that you're taking the change so hard, but there's little I can do about that.
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If you have specific needs, please feel free to contact me directly.
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They are going to make the $$$ at is the new 3 API call that will make them tons of cash.
Screw that...
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I'm sorry that you're so unhappy, but it seems odd to me that you're spending so much time putting so many responses in this Forum attacking something you haven't seen. Your vindictiveness is rather counter-productive for everyone. Might you not find some other pass-time?
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The documentation of the new API has been public for a while, so we kind of know what to expect from it.It's been up but no way to test it as there has been no way to get the new key. It's been a mystery for so many.
I turned off all of my data sharing to WU/TWC tonight so I really don't care anymore.
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Since the old API supposedly ends tomorrow and there is no replacement yet, it seems rather obvious wunderground doesn't want to support anything anymore. People are more than welcome to contribute their PWS data but there will be no way for anyone to access it.
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it looks like it will still be working for a few more weeks yet
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I sincerely hope others here will follow and get others to stop their sharing.
Good luck and bye bye asshat IBM
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Victoria Gardner
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Extra Kudos to Victoria for her heroic PR, personally taking most of the blame for her employer month after month while IBM is apparently running this once-great community project exactly by the big-business books:
Suck value out of the asset as fast as you can, smile to the public in front of you while on the backside you shit on those who built your property and can't stop you ruining it.
In Victorias shoes, I would have quit long ago or got very sick from bad consciousness. I hope she earns at least a very substantial income for holding her head out.
I have moved all my customer's API business away from WU and switched them over to OWM.
Happy new year!
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However I can't ignore how dumb IBM have been ( and I used to spend several $m with them here in the uk, when mainframes ruled the earth). You don't do 'turn it off' over the xmas and new year break, you don't do 'turn it off' until the replacement is running like a hose, and you don't go on saying 'watch this space' month after month when the space remains vacant.
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The API is not going to be turned off this week.
--Victoria