Weather Underground API update

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Hi there from the Weather Underground API Transition Team.
 
We’d like to reiterate a few things and let you know of a few small timing changes as we move closer to the previously announced retirement of the Weather Underground API:
 
  • Based on the response to the previous announcement as we neared year end, we have extended the retirement date to February 15, 2019 to allow you more transition time.
  • All Weather Underground API keys will stop working on February 15, 2019 unless otherwise agreed upon with Weather Underground.
  • All credit card charges for existing Weather Underground API subscriptions will stop on December 26, 2018.
 
Personal Weather Station (PWS) owners/contributors will continue to be eligible for a free replacement API service selected from our standard IBM/Weather Company standard offerings that contain:
 
  • Current observations from the PWS network
  • 5 day daily forecast
  • PWS historical data
  • PWS lookup by geocode, zip code and location
  • Call volume: 1500/day, 30/minute
 
You can check out our PWS contributor replacement API documentation here.
 
If you need higher call volumes, you can still sign up for a paid API subscription plan from The Weather Company.  Prices begin at $200/month. To have a representative contact you or to request a demo, please click to fill out the contact form.
 
Finally, we are humbled by the loyalty you’ve shown us during this difficult transition period.  Thank you for your continued support of the Weather Underground community.
 
With gratitude,
The WU API Transition Team
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Posted 5 months ago

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bitwalker

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And when will this replacement PWS API be available?
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William J Schmidt

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Ditto.  Nothing has happened yet.
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Ama Aje My Fren

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Hi,

thanks for the update.

I do not have a PWS but am thinking of getting one. Will it be possible to get the same terms as people who already have a PWS or not?
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And its working again.  Whew.
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If it happens again, email me and let me check. 

Victoria
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Tom

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Thank you very much for all your work.  I realize that you have a difficult task.
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Nothing you experience should be related to any planned outages, so do feel free to contact me directly if there seems to be a problem.

--Victoria
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Hi Victoria, we have had no official announcments for 5 months now with little of the main issues being resolved.  Snails pace it seems.  Can we have a  new announcment update from the WU Team at IBM please.
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I realize the intent is to limit the amount of information that is given away for free, but I would cordially request that a 10 day forecast be included instead of the 5 day, as 10 day is the expected normal for a look ahead forecast.  Not trying to be greedy, but offering a compromise that would be beneficial to everyone.  
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Hi, I’m also a long time PWS contributer and API key personal user, but haven’t been contacted about transitioning to the new key and API yet andI don’t want to be left out of the transition. My current station is KTXPASAD21 and my WU account’s email is up to date too. Thanks.
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Hi Wayne.

If you want to transition to a paid data subscription, you should investigate the options and fill out the form on this page:  http://biz.weather.com/WU-Data-API_Data-Package-Demo-Request.html.

The post you're commenting on is the most up-to-date information on the transition to the API for PWS owner/uploaders.  

If you would like to get added to my email list for PWS owners, email me your PWS id, and your API key, and I will send you information as it becomes available.  But it will fundamentally be the same information found on this Forum.

Victoria Gardner
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I just learned about this api key change today. Since our account was set up prior to me being here, and the prior person has been gone for over 2 years, I requested a password change. Nothing was sent.

I need to get more info about this. We are a very small company (<$100k in revenue annually), 1 full-time employee, me, and some consultants. We only use the weather radar overlay.

Mike
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Hey Mike!  I don't know which response you'll see first.  Drop me an email with your old API key and I can get you to a sales rep.

--Victoria
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So it went just how i afraided, no hourly forecast available anymore? That was the only feature i really needed back from WU..
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This was posted a few days ago. This is what you will have.

  • Current observations from the PWS network
  • 5 day daily forecast
  • PWS historical data
  • PWS lookup by geocode, zip code and location
  • Call volume: 1500/day, 30/minute

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Yes, so basically nothing that worths rewriting the whole code for my weather stations and home automation :(
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Tom

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An additional restriction that is less than obvious is no XML.  JSON only.
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Obviously IBM was not interested in finding out what our use cases were and instead are going to just try to shove something down our throat and expect us to like it.  Getting json is worthless to me and will break a lot of stuff unless I re-engineer it.
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Hello. The program on Android Weather Underground will also transmit a forecast for 10 days or only for 5 days?
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Igor, I don't understand.  The Weather Underground web pages will continue to display 10-day forecasts.  The API is separate from the web and mobile pages/apps.

Victoria Gardner
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Victoria, I am the owner of PWS: https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=IPECHORY2&cm_ven=localwx_pwsd... . The message indicates that the weather forecast for weather station owners will now be available only for 5 days. In this connection, the question arose on displaying the weather forecast for 10 days.


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The new API for PWS owners will only provide 5-day forecasts without cost.  10-day forecasts are available on the paid API through The Weather Company. 

The web pages that you can see on the Weather Underground PWS pages will continue to display the 10-day forecasts.

Does that answer the question?  The "program on Android" is what was confusing me.

-Victoria
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Yes, thank you!
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where is this new API on your site ?
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The new API is not yet open for use.

--Victoria
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thank victoria but when will this API be available? 
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Not yet known, Chepioq.

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It is nice to see that slowly there is information available for the new API. 
However I still can not see anything about the non-PWS owner low call volume option.
Is there still something like this planned or has that option being abandoned?
My suspicion is that we "free leechers" are being terminated. Afterall a business is there to make money, right?
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As of this moment, we do not anticipate offering free access to the replacement API for anyone except PWS owner/uploaders.  

The Weather Company offers limited-time-length trial keys for their paid subscriptions.  For more information, see http://biz.weather.com/WU-Data-API_Data-Package-Demo-Request.html

We again thank everyone who has been part of using Weather Underground as the old API comes to an end, and wish everyone the best in their future endeavors.

Victoria Gardner
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I just learned about this api key change today. Since our account was set up prior to me being here, and the prior person has been gone for over 2 years, I requested a password change. Nothing was sent.

I need to get more info about this. We are a very small company (<$100k in revenue annually), 1 full-time employee, me, and some consultants. We only use the weather radar overlay.

Mike
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Hey, Mike!  

The old API is gone.  There's nothing to change a password on.  

If you send me an email, I can get you to a sales rep.  Include your old API key there.

--Victoria
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The end of service email stated:
For developers who use WU API data for non-commercial purposes, you will have access to a new plan for a personal use, low call volume API. Stay tuned for more details as we build this out.

Where is that information?
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Kevin we are all waiting for that info. It's hnot yet available
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As of this moment, we do not anticipate offering free access to the replacement API for anyone except PWS owner/uploaders.  

The Weather Company offers limited-time-length trial keys for their paid subscriptions.  For more information, see http://biz.weather.com/WU-Data-API_Data-Package-Demo-Request.html

We again thank everyone who has been part of using Weather Underground as the old API comes to an end, and wish everyone the best in their future endeavors.

Victoria Gardner
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Hi Victoria

Please forward my displeasure to the relevant person.

It is extremely disappointing that the low volume non-commercial API usage will be withdrawn completely. My requirements are to use less than 10 calls a day for 6 months of the year, so as you can expect I can not justify $200/month on a project that is non profit, diverting funds away from other places. However its not like we weren't prepared to pay something or even asked to - were happy to contribute but not to the extent requested.

The first email failing to be received by seemingly anyone was unfortunate. The announcement at the time stating there will be plans for users exactly like myself, a muck-up. The lack of an email on the update, shows a lack of care.
 
On the up side, less than 6 weeks until your job goes back to normal levels of support requests - hope they don't turn their back on you too.

I will make other arrangements for data unless someone reaches out to me via email.

James
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I'm surprised the Weather Company, owned by IBM, is citing their inability to scale their infrastructure as their reason for closing.down the open API.  I would  have thought their cloud solutions marketing team would love to tell the Underground API story.  It's good for business from both a technical and altruistic standpoint.  I work part-time in charitable software product development and we provide weather and other services to the elderly at no cost.  Professionally, I manage a large IBM infrastructure department.  I'm disappointed in IBM!
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Apparently, someone decided developers shouldn't have API access anymore. New products start with the developers. If developers aren't familiar with the API it won't be suggested for new products.

The PWS owners are the source of all the data. However, they will only get 5 day forecast instead of the previous 10 day. There's no hourly forecast. Is this the way people are being thanked for all the PWS data?

As already mentioned, there are plenty of other companies that offer the data for low usage experimentation and development. In particular darksky.net offers 7 day forecast both daily and hourly in a json format. It took very little time to convert my programs and customers to that web site.

When I worked for IBM, people would have been fired if they suggested retiring an existing API before the new API was available and tested.
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No, they can not.  But there are many alternatives.
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Kevin

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If you have a PWS an alternative is openweathermap.org.

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Tom

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Well if you like programming OW is (API required to post data in JSON format).

Much easier AWEKAS, CWOP, PWSweather, Weathercloud or staying at WU.
(No API required at any of the services in the line above to post data)

Currently you can still manually download data from your station on WU w/o an api. If you don't collect it by another method.

I can not speak to the future of that feature.  Perhaps Victoria Gardner knows.
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Thanks for the response.
Just out of curiosity - are there other websites that would take data that have an API?
I do not have my PWS yet but looking for places where I can share it.
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Not that I am aware of.
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Just an info, actual weather station that send data to WU, will continue to work?
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Nicolo' Conte

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The problem is that I've an Aercus PWS that send data only to WU. I'm looking to buy a Davis PWS and say goodbye to WU.
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Don't forget the Ambient Weather Weatherbridge (look for it on Amazon) that takes data from any weather station and uploads it to a whole host of weather data providers.  You are not stuck with one provider with this device.
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Discontinued...HOWEVER...those units were actually meteobridge devices, and if you can follow directions, you can make your own for a $30 hardware investment and a 65 Euro software investment (currently $74.50) and a 1 hr time investment (10 minutes of work and 50 minutes figuring out what to do).

 https://wiki.meteobridge.com/wiki/index.php/Home

Edit:  It is shown as discontinued on Ambient's site, but it is still offered on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Ambient-Weather-WEATHERBRIDGE-Universal-Compatible/dp/B00FPPYM7M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1547240107&sr=8-1&keywords=WEATHERBRIDGE


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Or you could buy a https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Wireless-Portable-Router-TL-MR3020/dp/B00634PLTW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&a...
and flash your own for much lower cost following simple flashing from meteobridge.com

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But, my PWS isnt supported (WS-1001 clone).
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From your earlier post "Based on the response to the previous announcement as we neared year end, we have extended the retirement date to February 15, 2019 to allow you more transition time."

In order to begin our transition we need access to PWS contributor replacement API.  Every day without access is shortening our transition time.

Any idea when we can gain access to begin testing and transitioning?
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I looked at all available data for this new api key transition but cannot find how to get the new api key. Sort of useless messages back and forth saying the same thing over and over. I run a local weather site https://www.nicomaparkwx.com that relies a great deal on my WU feeds and access to my WU api to also retrieve data Ive sent. I see a major re-write to alot of my php and json scripts but can do nothing without the new api key to start the re-write. I see the old fields 14 of them now changed to 27 and a major headache. I only plan on using the free 1500 calls a day which is an improvement over the 500 and 6 min calls.

I have been waiting since Nov of 2017 for info on this changeover and seems everyone daily is asking the same with the same We will let you know when we get more info Its getting old and boring. Feb 15 is a month away and and not alot of time left for us to do the major re-writes to our software..The owner of meteotemplate.com needs to know soon to be able to re-write his software also.

Again... we are asking when will we get a more solid answer. Time is running out.

Andy out...
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Hello Tom
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Disrespectful IBM with the people! Reprovable!!!
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Cesar, I'm not sure who you're suggesting is disrespectful.  

Victoria Gardner
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Depressing as that Company it reprehends the people aggressively!!!
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Hi, Nury!  Who am I acting badly towards?

Victoria Gardner
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Our weather site uses a paid WU API key. As soon as we saw the EOS message about 4 months ago, we tried writing to WU support, filling the form at http://biz.weather.com/WU-Data-API_Data-Package-Demo-Request.html and got no response so far. 4 months of silence. It seems that the only source of information about the situation is here in this community. Now it looks like our key will continue to work till Feb 15. No official statements besides the EOS announcement (that has no useful information), no feedback, and a "demo request" form that's not working. Way to go IBM.
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Then I don't understand.  What contact are you desiring, then?  The gateway for the PWS uploaders isn't ready yet; I have not been responding to those notes because I don't have any new information.  I hope for news every day, but I know no one wants to hear that.

Am I missing something?  I genuinely want to help.  

Victoria
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Yes Andy you get a key.

Valid for the nine pieces of data listed in the documentation, and in JSON format only.

You won't be happy.

Tom

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I know you are Victoria. Just letting off steam as time is running short for some of us to re-write our scripts and trouble shoot. without taking our sites down during the transition.

Question. Will the WU site also be changing in any form also on the 15th of Feb or remain WU as is?
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I'm not part of the web site team, so I don't have access to that information.  However, as someone who has worked on the web for decades, any web site that is not undergoing development is in the process of dying.  And since I know there are people working on it, I would have to say that it will change, although whether or not those changes will be noticeable to users is another matter altogether.

Didn't mean that to be a non-answer answer, but there it is.

--Victoria
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Understood.
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From Windy.com, 21 January 2019: https://community.windy.com/topic/7551/would-you-like-to-report-your-weather-station-data-to-windy/1
@ivo said:
Would you like to report your weather station data to Windy?
Are you owner of personal weather station? Are you maintainer of network of weather stations?
We plan to create API endpoints so you could send your weather station data to us. Please help us to do this project by answering following questions:
1) What type of weather station you have
2) Do you report your data to some other Internet website?
3) How technically do you send your reports to this other website. Which software or protocol do you use.
4) Do you have any tips and ideas, how should our reporting API look like?
5) Would you be willing to offer your station data to anyone else (not only windy.com) as open data?
Please provide some feedback over on their forum using the above link.
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We're glad to host a place for open discussion about the WU API transition.
 
We'd like to remind our PWS owners/contributors:
  • Your past data will always be available to you for viewing and download in a web browser on wunderground.com, just like it always has. 
  • If you are in the small minority of people who use the WU API and a corresponding WU API key to obtain data in .json format, here's what's happening:
- We'll open a registration page for you to get a new API key to get your data in .json format
- You'll sign up and get a new API key for the new API
- Once the registration page is open, we'll keep the old API and your old API key active for 2 weeks to allow transition time to your new key
 
We'll announce in the forum when the registration page opens.
Or, email victoria.gardner@ibm.com to receive an email notification once it's ready.
 
  • The new API will provide access to 
  • Current observations from the PWS network
  • 5 day daily forecast
  • PWS historical data
  • PWS lookup by geocode, zip code and location
  • Call volume: 1500/day, 30/minute

The documentation for the new API is available here.

Victoria Gardner
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News?
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None yet.  I'm wearing out the carpet pacing.  

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Well, I did initially intend to stick with WU. However only being able to get a 5 Day forecast instead of a 10-day forecast and no hourly forecast is a big decider for me. I am just an amateur weather "geek"  who does this for a bit of a hobby. Since I got my weather station I have learnt a lot about html, php, JS, API's etc to be able to produce my website. Its non-profit and just for fun, not an app.
I make an hourly call to get the forecast data and decode the json to get the information I need, so only 24 calls a day (unless WU dont return a decent forecast json and the I call it again). I do use the radar call to grab an image every 15 minutes so thats 96 more, so 120 calls / day.

I have been trying Darkskys API and it gives far more information and I am in the process of converting my website and will switch over in a few days. As for the Radar, I can live without it until I can find another source. The WU radar image was hit and miss anyway.

So I am sorry WU, the new significantly reduced API is not a big enough carrott for me to keep providing you with my PWS data. You need to consider upping the ante before myself and many other loyal WU supporters switch off. I am sure there will be many many API users globally who are not even aware that the API is changing and will suddenly start hitting WU wanting to know why it has stopped. I think WU are in for interesting times and I hope the powers that be reconsider.
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I just sent out an email to the PWS uploaders who asked to be in my email list about the new PWS API.

If you want to be added to the list, please email me with your PWS ID, and your API key(s) if you have any.  

Victoria Gardner
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Victoria,

Thank you for keeping us informed.

As for this not making sense to any coder you sir are wrong. I have been writing code for over thirty years and I understand the business decision has made by buying a company and deprecating the purchased company API in favor of the buyers existing API.

Paul
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Wrong..... IBM never had an existing API for WU ever.

Logic says if they are keeping the existing upload API logic dictates the same for download from the same existing API which WORKS.

What Victoria refuses to answer is this....

API users will be charged 3 API calls for each segment of data they require from the existing 1 API call. The end results will be to force the users to eventually having to pay the FREE API data they supply to IBM because they will more then likely exhaust their free plan.

Don't pee in my soup and tell me you are warming it up...
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You enforce my point. They do not have have an API to send pws data to them. The do have an API to get forecast data.
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Of course the UPLOAD hasn't changed and is free.  If that changed, they would get very little data.  Since they are now bent on making money off our free data, the API must change and there be a cost associated with it.
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Keeping a service running is not inexpensive.  You have to pay for electricity, air conditioning, backups, rent, staff, etc.  Software does not just keep running forever.  Either the cost to keep an old platform running becomes too expensive, or an OS upgrade breaks stuff or domain knowledge is lost as people retire or move on, technology changes, etc. 

There are companies that sell devices and/or services that rely on W data which puts a burden on Wunderground.  There's quite a few DIY IOT projects that people expect to be able to access for free.  Now that W wants to charge that will piss people off but so long as they are willing to waive that for people that upload I'm willing to continue to provide data.

I'm glad to hear that the upload API is not changing at least at this time.  I would expect the number of hits per second or minute or what ever time period you want to consider for accessing data far exceeds the number of API calls for uploading so it's not as critical that the upload API be replaced immediately especially if they don't want to risk losing lots of PWS providers.

However when products or API's being deprecated they usually give you a reasonable amount of time to phase over to the new stuff AFTER the replacement has been made available.

Unless I missed something, it sound like as soon as the new API and keys are available we are expected to drop what we are doing and rewrite our code or hope that the developers of any devices or library packages we use will be able to make changes and make it available for us to install and test again within a two week window which we don't know in advance.  What happens if we are on vacation or busy with work or family or other commitments or a combination?   That's the part that I do not think is reasonable.
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Scott- It does not matter what we think because it is not our company. There could be a number of reasons that IBM is writing a new api format. Perhaps they will be using a different data format, server configuration, or just want to limit traffic and/or resources...no matter the reason, they have already committed to ending the existing system. Am I happy about it..no. But then it’s not my company. All I know is I have not paid a dime for their services over the past 8 years. If you can pay for the resources and write the code to do it, I would encourage you to start your own company and get it done. I would be your first free customer!! I think you would soon see there are MANY more factors to consider than simple data regurgitation.

Paul- You have never needed an api to get your own data. You can download a csv file from your site’s homepage.

William- WU has alternate sources for data. I am not sure how much (if any) the PWS system factors into the “new” WU/TWC/IBM algorithm. I personally am just glad they are still allowing the wundermap.

Claude- You need to be aware that the data available to call will only be the 5 approved data sets (see the documentation). Also there will be no xml calls allowed.
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Scott, I am not refusing to answer -- I haven't seen this as an issue in this thread.

We are providing 3x more data than before.  And you seem to be the only person who keeps bring this up.  As someone who has looked at so many many keys I can't even begin to think of the number anymore, I can tell you there's not a magic 3-calls-in-one thing going on here.  Users of the old API don't all make combined calls.  I don't know why you harp on this.

The old API only allowed 500 calls on a free API key.  In the new system PWS API owners will get 1500 per day.  Yes, there is a relatively restricted range of forecast data, but it's free.  PWS historical data, free.  PWS lookup by geocode, zip code and location, free.  Current observations from the PWS network, free.

If you don't want it, that is your prerogative.  

Any PWS uploaders who want to be added to the email list for more information as it becomes available about the new PWS API, send me an email with your PWS ID and your API key, if you have one.

Victoria Gardner
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ROGER, OVER AND OUT!
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Victoria Gardner, Official Rep

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I am still sending updates to PWS users who want to know more about getting an API key on the new system when they become available.  If you want to be added to the list, please email me your PWS ID, so I can verify that you will be eligible.

When the gateway is open, I (or one of my colleagues) will also post the information on the Forum, so if you would prefer to check back in this space, that is also an option.

Victoria Gardner
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William J Schmidt

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With all of these API questions...The problem that eats at me is this:  why the hell should I upload free data to you so that you can charge others for my data.  How about I start charging you for my data then? Doesn't that seem fair?
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I had the same concern, but they answered it a good while back.  In exchange for my local weather data, they will give me a five day forecast.  That seems fair to me.
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Except that you can get five day forecast (not just daily but hourly) from a number of other sources, for free, and without giving them your data.
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So if you receive no benefit, never check your dashboard, never use a historical chart, never get a forecast for your area or somewhere else, never need the history of your station on 12/25/2006, or even want to check your webcam on 7/4/2010 (or yesterday), then it only makes sense that you stop sending to WU/TWC because you do not use their services at all. I personally enjoy the ability to to do all the above, for free, even without an API, so any API is a plus. I may or may not use it. I have already put alternatives in place, but will I never use WU again? Heck no!! Why would I feel so privileged that WU owes me something? They are a company that by definition MUST make a profit (or fail to exist). I am an individual that, for free, has a place to store and retrieve data from my own PWS. I actually would be very surprised WU/TWC uses PWS data at all (which would make such data worthless).

Sorry if I go against the grain here but I think I have been more than compensated for my data.

Tom

And Mike. You will still be able to get a forecast for your area (or any other area) without using the api or donating data. The issue is the API which allows you to use WU/TWC data on another website automatically by converting the ‘code’ from WU into displayable data over a regular interval.

You will still be able to go to wunderground.com and enter a zip code and get all the forecasts you want.
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I personally am not one of those who expect something for nothing; my gripe is more that I am perfectly willing and ready to pay for access to the wunderground data, but IBM do not seem to want my money.  It's the same for the Weather Channel data... that is a large **fixed** monthly cost, rather than a **per-use** cost.  Again, I'd love to give IBM some money for access to TWC data, but based on what I use, not based on some arbitrary fixed quota that's way too much for my needs.  Look at the darksky model.  That's what wunderground could have evolved into.  But instead the plug has been pulled.  I thought there was a law against big dominant companies abusing their power?